Posts Tagged ‘WickedFire’

The Role of Attractive Females in Affiliate Marketing

November 24, 2011

Before I have the NOW or SlutWalk , or any other feminist and/or man-hating group or organization misconstruing this post right out of the gate because they read the title alone, let me get this out of the way: The role of attractive females (and females in general, unopinionated)  in affiliate marketing is no different than the role of males. Or it shouldn’t be, and if it is then it’s an individual and personal choice that has been made. This is is a post typed up based on personal experiences and observations. I’m not trying to lump everyone together. I was just trying to write a headline.

This is a subject that I have a strong opinion and stance on.  Fairly recently, Arikka Greene (an attractive female close to affiliate marketing) made a post in her Online Media Q&A Facebook Group that gained my attention and had me thinking about the issue more. Here is her post:

What really captured my attention here was the fact that she chose to include the phrases “highly powerful” and “huge client” when introducing her hypothetical scenario. That alone seems to suggest that it is more “acceptable” or excusable to get flirty at that opportunity. I’m not going to be the dude to tell you that it’s right or wrong for a female to do that because it’s her choice and it’s a two-way street.

Barman has published two posts that are dangerously similar to what I’m about to get into. One of them seems to state that there is a portion of women in the industry who are money-thirsty, parasitic wenches. He also throws around phrases like “pussy trap”  and “sweet elixir of punany,” very hilarious stuff. In the other, he points out the blatant attempt of an “affiliate assistant” trying to leverage boners for traffic.

To open up the issue a little more, I’ll review just a couple replies to Arikka’s post.


Susan’s reply is very commendable. I’d have replied the same way in her shoes (or heels). Overall, it’d be a personal decision. If you’re confident in your industry-specific skills, I can’t see why a female would want to entertain that type of thing unless she was single and otherwise interested.


This post surprised me. Maybe “most” was an exaggeration from her, but if this is true then I am completely puzzled. I can’t imagine cutting ties with a network or having a fallout with an AM because she won’t return my winks on Skype.


Again, “most” may be an exaggeration here, but the viewpoint from a male is interesting. I feel indifferent about this post. I agree that flirting is generally bounced around, but I can’t give you any hard numbers that would state that she’d be more likely to initiate. With the last sentence there, I agree more than I disagree.

And then mine:

I’m no ladies man by any stretch of the phrase and I’m not giving any scandalous Jezebel a pass here. I’m speaking  out to my own people, the bros: We’ve gotta stop that shit.

I’m not asking you to tuck your penis between your legs and forget that females exist in our world of affiliate marketing. There are tons of very beautiful ladies. I’ve got a pretty big base of AM-related friends on Facebook and I can’t remember the last unattractive female I’ve come across. Males even, the general crowd are all handsome and well-kept dudes. The problem isn’t that you recognize that these women are attractive, that’s called being a man. The problem is when you go out of your head and let it disrupt the way you do your work. The problem is when you allow these certain females–well aware that they are attractive and you are a horndog–to leverage that and squeeze pennies out of you.

There was once a little thread on WickedFire dedicated to outing these beautiful broads. Outing them for, well, being attractive. A couple replies are a little bit awkward. The majority seem to understand that not every beautiful AM girly who smiles your way wants you inside of them. There are some who seem a little obsessive and weird about it. Here’s one, directly in reply to me:

Like I said though, a lot of people took the thread pretty lightly (as I’m sure it was intended).

Eleah came up very often in this thread. A poster mentioned that she probably isn’t always flirting with you, she just has a “bubbly” personality. That’s understandable and completely fine. Eleah recently contacted me and gave some feedback on what I thought was one of my lesser-interested posts, and that was very cool of her. She seems like a very polite and professional individual and I can’t yet imagine her eyes turning red as she leaps for my crotch in hopes that my delicious traffic will be sent her way. (The post we talked about was one that conflicts that idea, anyway. She’s cool.)

Some apparently do do that though, in accordance to the gospel of Barman. I believe him.
The bros and babes over at EWA so it very modestly and respectfully. They have a private Facebook Group that I’ve been allowed in and I’ve noticed it every now and then. It’s nothing extravagant or risqué. Nicki is put out there every now and then, thrown to the wolves.

In that second screenshot, you can hear her talking about traffic. Outright asking for you to send her your traffic, but that’s what she’s supposed to do. That isn’t supposed to be some sexy body shot for you either, I do believe she is showing off her shirt and I think she is pregnant. Fair play.

The post that I mentioned in the Facebook comment screenshot earlier was also one from Nicki. That one had me stroking my chin gently.

For everyone who was saying that Shannon PoF might not be real… I have proof she is! And not only is she real but she’s super nice! Just one more reason to take our offers and run them at PoF.

If your initial reaction was, “Jesus Christ, she is hot,” in regards to either one or both of them, then congratulations on having a penis. Completely normal my friend, I’m not getting on you for that.

I don’t know about this whole conspiracy theory about her “not being real.” I wasn’t around for that. I don’t know what that even means or who cooked up those suspicions. Her appearance isn’t being highlighted in the post either, she is cited as “nice.” That’s another good sign. I guess a nice AM would be one of those reasons why you’d want to send traffic someone’s way. I don’t see it near the top of the list, but it’s always good.

The way I’m reading this is, “Hey guys, Shannon of PoF is really hot. Here is a picture of us being hot together. Take EWA offers and run them on PoF.” I believe (and I’m not 100% certain here) that the nature of the comments in this post began to revolve around Shannon’s physical appearance and Nicki quickly tried to put a stop to it. She did everything right here.

Shannon of PoF cannot help that she is hot. She cannot help that the great majority of her male affiliates would eagerly shower her sweet body with rose petals an make passionate love to her. She’s a girl and she seems intelligent, she is aware that she is attractive. I’ll bet she would appreciate being able to push a photo to Facebook that wouldn’t immediately result in a group of bros jerking it in the comments. It’s sort of disrespectful to the nature of the industry. I don’t think she’s ever going to have an issue with being beautiful, but I can see her feeling as if her technical skills in the industry are being undermined all the time just because we can’t get over how damn hot she is.

Or maybe not. I can’t speak for her. Better yet, maybe it’s part of the reason she is in this professional position today. I don’t know for sure and neither do you. We can speculate though. Here’s another WickedFire reply that had me thinking:

  1. Being an AM is essentially a channel sales job
  2. Being a good-looking girl = lots of attention (even as kids, look up “The Beauty Bias” for more info)
  3. Lots of attention = confident + learn how to get people (especially men) to do what you want
  4. Confident and can get people to do what you want = very useful in sales

Any sales role where men are a major buyer or channel partner (IT, Medical Sales, Recruitment) has a lot of hot women in it. That’s not to say they’re not also very skilled at their jobs. It’s just they have that added edge which only comes with lucky genes and a double X chromosome.

And yes… they are flirting with you. But only because they’ve learned from an early age that it’s a highly effective strategy to get their way.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

I’m not Dr. Phil, but women would like to be treated with respect, especially around the people they work with. The only excuse you have for treating an AM gal like a blood-sucking leech is if she comes across that way on her own. Don’t make that assumption upfront.

Where Barman addresses such scandalous behavior from the ladies, I want this post to resonate with guys. Be a professional. Be all about work. If having an attractive affiliate manager is seriously a concern to you then you need to restrategize. To me, the most attractive affiliate manager is the one who can be helpful and do whatever is necessary to make sure that affiliates are making dough.

It’s a little bit of a bonus if your affiliate manager is an attractive lady. We like looking at nice things. Recognize when the situation is steering away from business to small talk though. Every AM wants you to make money, because they want to make money. If a female is using sexuality to encourage that, then she’s probably not very skilled professionally. Play along and entertain it if you want, just don’t get sucked in.

This post is dedicated to the 0.01% of affiliate males out there who do seem to fall in love with these ladies so quickly. Also the 0.01% of affiliate manager females who grab you by the collar and promise ASCII kisses for your traffic. It’s only normal to feel attracted, but let’s be mature adults about it and go on about our business.

If affiliate marketing was rapping…

October 12, 2011

I’m here to entertain you with this one. No offense intended if anyone gets that vibe, this isn’t meant to be taken seriously. Would have loved to included a few more but didn’t want to start making stretches. I’m an observer and know very few of these people personally. Enjoy the read!

Young Money/YMCMB ― Eagle Web Assets

This is an easy one, it’s not just because we call Ryan Eagle the “Birdman” either. Ryan has all of the charisma and industry star power of a YMCMB rapper, maybe he’d even be Weezy instead of Birdman? We’ll let Tom be Birdman. Harrison can be T-Pain (and yes, T-Pain is a YMCMB artist now), Nicki Fotia is obviously Nicki Minaj, etc. EWA is just really at the top of the game and they seem to receive a fair bit of hater attention, much like the YMCMB crew does. Point is, they’ve got a well-rounded team of individuals. Even though Ryan is the dude that you see in every banner ad on the internet, the rest of the team shines in their own right.

YMCMB may not have the “best” rappers in the game, in your opinion. EWA may not have the “best” offers or conversion rate in the industry (but they might), in your opinion. Whatever the case, they get attention. They’re hot right now. They have newsletters locked down, they have a huge Facebook group, and they have another thing: BLAM Ads. Baby and Wayne are known for having their subsidiaries. YMCMB in itself is a Cash Money subsidiary. These guys have a lot going on and it seems like everyone involved with the network, from the accounting staff to the affiliate managers and all the way to the base of affiliates themselves, seem to have it going for them. Wayne grew up on Apple and Eagle after all.


Oh, and I haven’t mentioned Drake yet because…

October’s Very Own/OVOXO ― CPAtank

I’ve known (of) Vito since years back when I was pushing webcam signups. It’s been a huge transformation, watching him go from that to breaking into the mainstream affiliate space. I didn’t really take CPAtank too seriously until recently, but the network can’t be denied. I see you Vito: he’s at the conferences, he’s mingling with the big names, and he’s really fleshing out in the world of affiliate marketing. That’s why I’m gonna go ahead and call Vito the Drake of affiliate marketing. Back when Vito was involved with that particular adult network, that’s when Drake was on Degrassi. Drake’s all grown up now and he’s developing his own label as an accomplished artist, and OVO is my affiliate marketing translation of CPAtank.

I was talking about subsidiaries earlier. I’m speaking from an outside-looking-in perspective, but is that what CPAtank has become? Is it now on a partnership level with EWA? I’ve noticed Vito with the Eagle swag recently, but I’ll leave that up to you. You can speculate. The rap industry isn’t complete without an Illuminati conspiracy theory. What’s not up for speculation is the fact that Vito probably knows way too many people here right now that he didn’t know last year.

50 Cent ― Shoemoney

Yes, I just compared Shoemoney to 50 Cent. I’d love to have been able to come up with a G-Unit comparison instead, but they’re completely irrelevant now.

Shoemoney is 50 Cent because of the way his entrepreneurial attitude has seemed to evolve. When he (50) first came to the scene, he was a bit of a prop for Dre. His first song was a crazy hit, but it was all because of that Dre beat. When Shoe first got into things (to my knowledge at least), he was exclusive to the ringtones game. He was a huge success right from the start, much like 50, and began to expand. I can’t even name all of the web properties that Shoemoney is responsible for now. He has his blog, Free SEO Report, Link Control, his own private affiliate getaway, his own network, and a more. 50 Cent isn’t just a musician anymore. He’s an entrepreneur, too. He’s got Vitamin Water, his own (garbage) headphones, he’s acted in films, and I’m pretty sure he has a sex toy in the exact mold of his penis. Both of these guys are big (their reputations) to their respective industries. Some people may not like Shoemoney, some people may not like 50 Cent. Can’t deny that both of them are instrumental to the biz. Go, go.

Odd Future/OFWGKTA ― Above All Offers

Maybe if you’re a casual rap fan, you haven’t heard of Golf Wang. Maybe if you’re a casual affiliate marketer, you haven’t heard of the AAO team. Eli has his shit on lock, he’s our Tyler. This guy is extremely smart, and when it comes to the mainstream of the industry maybe he’s swept under the rug a little? He’s got a crazy team of guys with his network in the same way that Tyler mobs with Frank Ocean, Earl, and the rest of the squad. I’ve heard from some highly-esteemed people that Robert and Tom at AAO really know what they are doing and these are the kind of people who you really want to trust with your traffic. The Odd Future style is completely unique and AAO’s tracking platform is the same way: all custom. They’re not running HasOffers, DirectTrack, or anything you may be familiar with. It’s built by them and for them, ground up. That’s a healthy way to start your business. Don’t overlook this network because it’s no joke and eventually I feel like they’ll blow up in the same way The Creator did.

Russell Simmons ― Shawn Collins

Didn’t struggle with this comparison. Shawn Collins is basically the gold standard in the industry. This is a real stand-up guy who contributes nothing but positivity and progression to the industry. I guess that’d kind of make Missy Ward out to be a pre-divorce Kimora Lee?

Russ co-founded Def Jam and founded Phat Farm. Shawn put together Affiliate Summit and has contributed a ton of knowledge to the affiliate marketing industry through his books and meetups. There’s no one else in each industry quite like these guys. They’re the glue. They hold things down and provide a ton of maturity and wisdom to the big and small. Check out this video on Simmons and then mirror that to the AM community, and you’ll have Collins:

Eminem ― Barman

I came up with this one because Barman is different from a lot of guys in the industry. There’s a lot of things Barman does not give a shit about that the rest of the affiliate marketing community might, and he doesn’t mind letting you know that. He’s gonna be our affiliate marketing Marshall Mathers. I’m talking about the Eminem from The Slim Shady LP. Both Barman and Eminem seem to touch a different audience in their respective fields. Barman is a funny dude (and if you don’t believe me, check out PPC.bz) and so is Eminem. More than just being funny though, the dude knows what he is talking about. Eminem popped onto the scene as Slim Shady and turned a lot of heads because he was a foul-mouthed white guy spewing lyrics on touchy subjects. He didn’t want to fit in with the rest of the rap industry or the stereotypes put on through his racial background. You can look at Barman’s recent tweets every now and then and see a little bit of the same.

Mase ― Smaxor/Jason Akatiff

Smaxor is Murda Ma$e and Jason Akatiff is Mase. Following me? I’m a huge fan of Smaxor’s blog and although I’ve only reached out to him a single time, I feel as if I’ve learned an awful lot by just studying the guy. From what I gather, Jason came up in a state of the internet like myself. I wouldn’t doubt Smax was around when BBS was jumping, but I’m familiar with his presence in IRC chats. He was an early coder and a bit of a hacker. He used (and maybe still uses) black hat methods to get going. Much like Mase did, he eventually changed up his style. Mase became a Jesus freak; Smaxor penetrated the world of mainstream internet marketing and now runs one of the most awesome networks in that industry at A4D. This guy throws some awesome meetup parties, too.

Wu-Tang Clan ― MaxBounty

Just like Wu-Tang, I feel like MaxBounty doesn’t get talked about quite enough anymore. This is my absolute favorite network to work with. They’re in the light of the mainstream, but it’s still as if they’re sort of underground. The Clan is known for getting into a little bit of mischief and getting rowdy. A similar little incident like that popped up on MaxBounty not too long ago, too. Everything was handled appropriately and we’re keeping it moving.

This network is as deep as Wu. Some of my favorite affiliate managers have come from MB and they all seem quite helpful and real when you get to speaking with them. They’re my best kept little secret and I wanted to appreciate them on this list. Steven Suave has the Method, Man!

Nas ― Nickycakes/Nick Koscianski

Cakes is a former Affiliate of the Year and is one of the most (if not the most) successful affiliates that the affiliate culture has ever spit out at us. Nas is one of the best (if not the best) rappers that has ever lived. Much like Nas, Nick seems to stay out of the limelight. You don’t see him spending his time posting all over WickedFire anymore. I rarely see him say a peep even in his own IRC chat. The man is all about his business and that’s to be respected. Bet you never knew, or could pronounce, Cakes’ last name either. What’s Nasir’s last name? That settles it.

The Throne/Jay-Z & Kanye West ― StackThatMoney

The Throne’s album was the most interesting hip-hop collaboration we’re going to see all year. When two powerhouse artists like that come together, magic and greatness occurs. Jordan and Mr. Green are doing the same thing over at STM. I’ve been a huge fan of Green’s blog since forever and his contributions to an already-great blog at STM makes it even more of a presence. I don’t have the time available to involve myself in the forums, but I’ve heard amazing things.

Every time a post is dropped over at STM, it demands attention. The case studies and free tips given away over there is a huge contribution to the affiliate community. You can stack money on the fact that when a new post is pushed live, it will be at the top of AffBuzz (which at the time of this post happens to be true). Yeezy and Jay get that same sort of attention. STM is a huge authority in the blogosphere in the same way that those two Roc superstars are to hip-hop music. These guys are def’ly in their zone.

Ne-Yo – Ben from PlentyOfFish

Yeah, Ne-Yo isn’t a rapper but I’m still doing this. Why? Keeping this one short, because Ben is every-damn-where in the industry. I don’t even know who the CEO of POF is, but I know that I see Ben’s face everywhere that the company is mentioned in the same sentence as “ads.” Ne-Yo happens to be the same way. This guy has written more songs for major R&B singers than anyone I’ve heard of. He’s a feature on just about every big track, too.

Diddy – Dirty Money ― AKMG

This would make Neverblue our Diddy, I guess. Come on, I definitely don’t have to explain this one. Ian knows what’s up.

KRS-One ― Jon Fisher

Jon is the guy responsible for bringing a big portion of the affiliate community together at one of the most free and awesome forums still breathing: WickedFire. It’s refreshing to see a forum that isn’t so hard-assed and strict to the content. You’re allowed to be real on WickedFire. You’re allowed to talk about stuff that really matters and interests you. There’s no garbage gurus or “special offers” from people, let us consider those the Soulja Boys and Waka Flocka Flames of the industry. KRS-One does not want that mess polluting our culture and Jon doesn’t want a lot of bullshit clogging up his board or our industry.

WF is pretty notorious for having a community that just lays it straight to you. Jon seems to be the same way, he’s not stranger to calling someone out for being a fraud. I think we need that, and he fits the role well. He’s a smart guy and his forum is the only relevant community (outside of a few Facebook groups) in the mainstream of the industry. I almost wanted to spot Jon as Uncle Luke. The WickedFires are a great resource when it comes to networking, news, and breasts.

Common ― Nana Gilbert-Baffoe

Mr. 202 and his team of guys have given our community a lot. The Bevo vs. 202 war seems to be heating up, but everything looks cool and collected from this side. Nana seems not to have an unhelpful bone in his body. He’s conscious like Common. I haven’t had the pleasure of doing any more than asking Nana about a few 202 features, but I can see what a smooth guy I was dealing with. Very respectful, very humble, and very positive.

Affiliate Drama!: Russell Rockefeller vs. Shoemoney

July 28, 2011

I think Affiliate Drama! is going to be a new sub-series of the blog. People can’t get enough of this shit, and I’m counterproductive enough to follow it. Excellent.

Here’s my understanding of the situation: Rockefeller (or “The Rock” as I will from now on reference him) was banned from Shoemoney’s Deadbeats section just last month because he was apparently straying off topic a little too often. To my knowledge, the Deadbeat Report is a section of Shoemoney’s website where practically anyone and everyone call call out… practically anyone and everyone for, well, anything and everything (as long as you throw a claim out that they’ve scammed or stolen from you).
In short, it’s everything I hate about what I do! That’s okay though, because Shoemoney is an accomplished guy and this is his blog. He can do whatever the hell he wants.

Briefly before this all happened, The Rock established a pretty solid and helpful Facebook group, Super Affiliates. In the aforementioned post, you can see where The Rock and a “Lou DiFulvio” (who I can only imagine helps moderate Shoe’s group) go back and forth and it is mentioned that Rock owns the larger Facebook group. Sort of a “My dick is bigger than yours,” type of thing. This isn’t uncommon in the industry, don’t worry.

Moving along, someone (as claimed by Rock) begins posting as The Rock at Shoemoney’s Deadbeats. Rockefeller points at none other than Pace Lattin, someone who practically everyone has gotten into it with. Pace and Rock go at it for a while on Facebook, Pace eventually deactivates his profile, and it seems dead from there. This is where Shoemoney and Rock go back into it.

Somewhere along the line, by either word straight from Rock’s fingertips or some strange blog comment imposter, Shoemoney decides he has had enough. Shoemoney dishes out another brilliant nickname to a fellow affiliate marketer and dubs Rock the “Affiliate Stalker”. Here’s you a little peak, but to get the full scoop you’ll have to check out Shoe’s website (because we’re all affiliate marketers and it’s the polite thing to do):

Not one to back down, Rockefeller brings this hatred act to his Facebook group:

In that very post you can see a glimpse of Jon (from WF) trying to knock a little sense into the whole situation by suggesting they squash it. He also politely requests that he not be pulled into this mess and also accuses someone of abusing the Deadbeat Report by posting as him, who he also attributes to probably being Mr. Lattin.

This all could have been avoided and pales miserable in comparison to what came (or what is still to come) of Barman vs. Shoemoney. Still, my instincts tell me that since their forum/blog beef, Bar and Shoe have both relaxed on each other a little bit. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Thoughts

  • Does it matter who has the larger social group? I think the goal of both the Deadbeat Report and Super Affiliate Facebook group is to improve the quality of affiliate marketing. In my very humble opinion, the Super Affiliates group does that a little more effortlessly because you’re forced to comment as your real person, and you can’t impersonate others to throw fuel on the fire.
  • Shoemoney’s blog is a blog. It is his blog. It represents his views and opinions. He can ban you or whoever he wants from whatever he wants. He can say what he wants. If he wants to let his members throw out unapproved claims that he or she is a scammer, he can. It’s his choice. Might it dent his reputation? It could. You have to play devil’s advocate here: It’s his personal blog, he owes you nothing. But, he is a superpower in the industry. His blog ranks very respectively on Google. Is it responsible and/or respectable to allow claims that someone is a scammer without it being personally verified? I won’t be one to judge.
  • J. Fish had the right idea on ringing up Pace’s attorney at the first thought of being impersonated.
  • Pace Lattin is Dr. Evil and it is sort of hilarious to me. He is involved in every little affiliate beef that pops up and I’m glad that I’m watching from the sidelines.

Until next time… although my senses tell me that this will be over with very soon.
Please do not make any public comparisons between me and Perez Hilton or my spirit will be crushed enough to make me want to stop doing this.

The Rundown on Internet/Affiliate Marketing Forums

July 25, 2011

Seems like more and more of these are popping up left and right. Allow me to make alleviate your selection process.

The Good

  • WickedFire: My opinion here is probably a little biased because I am a big fan of humor and breasts. WickedFire has a lot of that. This is not to say that the members aren’t incredibly intelligent and active in real marketing discussions. The forum is really a goldmine, but if you hop in acting like a complete idiot or a douchebag, you will be mocked and heckled until you tuck your tail between your legs and run along.
    WickedFire is home to a lot of the superstars in the industry, people like Barman, Ryan Eagle, Nickycakes, Ben from POF, and more. If affiliate marketing was MTV in the late ’90s, WickedFire would be TRL.
  • StackThatMoney Private Forums: Yep, I just linked you to a landing page. STM Forums is not for free, and it’s for good reason. You’re getting huge advice that is being dispersed to a limited amount of smart people. Jordan is no joke, the guy knows marketing. Mr. Green is in there helping people, too. I don’t personally have an account, but I’ve peeked in. I don’t recommend jumping in here right out of the gate, but when you can afford it, this is probably the place to be.
  • IMGrind Community Forums: Another lander, another paid and private forum. Good things aren’t out there for free (usually). Ruck (from C2M) and his buddy Ryan are behind this one. When two huge names like that come together and put their reputation and status in the industry behind something, they really have no choice but to succeed. The C2M forums hold a wealth of knowledge, and IMGrind is that tenfold. Again, when you can afford it (time and money), hop in because you won’t regret it. There’s always someone in the industry who knows more than you and Ruck really seems to be standing behind his new brand.
  • PPV Playbook Forum: Another! You’re not just paying for a forum here though, this one comes with extra goodies. PPV is the new thing in affiliate marketing. PPV Playbook gives you the scoop. Check their blog for a taste of the material you’ll be jumping into.

The Bad

  • WarriorForum: It’s just not very good. I paid for a lifetime subscription to this place long ago and I can confidently say that it hasn’t paid off. This is like one big gay nude beach of every low-level guru that exists on the internet. It’s extremely difficult to take anything from this forum. It’s a lot of people who seem to be trying to build some personal brand and dishing out very general and shallow tips to complete newbies.
  • Digital Point Forums: This place was already shit before Shawn Hogan got nabbed for cookie stuffing, and since then it has become exponentially worse. The quality is very beginner level and sometimes flat out foreign. There’s nothing of value here.
  • CPV Den Members Forum: I hyped up and supported this joint at one point in time, but it’s doomed. PPV Playbook has taken over their share and personally housing and endorsing a few networks that I won’t even name, just not a good decision. CPV Den may not be bad, but it’s not good.

The Ugly

  • MoneyMakerDiscussion: I shouldn’t have to say a whole lot here. It’s a BHW clone that is geared more specifically towards internet marketing. It is extremely censored. The administration are dishonest thieves. They will ban you for questioning or criticizing them in a way that doesn’t even come off as offensive. They will ban you if you threaten to take a penny of any cent that is theirs to milk, even if it benefits the community. They “care” about their members because they get them paid. If you go on MMD, let me suggest that you don’t register and regularly participate in the community, at least. Sometimes you can get a little gem of information, but most of the time it’s garbage.
  • AffMarketingForums: Had to do it, Nick.

The Most Unpleasant People in Affiliate Marketing

July 21, 2011

It’s about time to get a little more gritty. Let me go ahead and make it clear that before anything else, I’m pretty aware that at least one of the people mentioned in the following writeup will contact me or lash out towards me in some other way. We all know how to set up Google Alerts. That’s completely fine and I’m only writing of what I know and have experienced thus far in my (somewhat amateur, 3-year) splurge in using the internet to make money. I’m not going to take the article down or censor or remove anything, despite whatever bribes or threats. My little blog isn’t going to mar your reputation in the least in comparison to what has already been done anyway, trust me!

Pace Lattin

This is practically a no-brainer. When you saw the article title, you knew it was coming.

Pace has received some very narrow criticism (maybe even hatred?) from the WickedFires. Just based on a few skimmed posts, Barman seems not to appreciate the guy very much and Ryan Eagle doesn’t seem to think the best of him. Shoemoney has come out and called the guy an “affiliate retard” of all things, which may or may not be in direct response to Pace’s multiple articles that target him in some pretty negative light. Even Brittany Bankston, who is currently as pregnant as she is hot, has went on a few little tirades about Pace on her Facebook.

Aside from receiving email after email after email with virtually no way to unsubscribe (and I say that as if it’s not annoying), I haven’t personally encountered any issues with the guy. He appears to come across to most people as an overall douchebag and I’ve read that he is quick to blackmail and threaten people in the industry. I don’t know the man but I do know his writing and blogs, and it’s pretty low quality (coming from another amateur, by the way). I don’t know if I understand why, but Mark Roth hired him to write for Inside Offervault (or is it OfferVault? Offer Vault?) and that’s where you can find the most of Lattin today, to my knowledge.

While I may have never had a run in with Mr. Lattin, he is an annoyance in emails and it seems like nearly everyone else has a bone to pick with him.

Dr. P/Dr. Com or whoever the hell the owner of MMD is or claims to be at this present point in time

This explains a lot, but that’s just a drop in the bucket of garbage, drama, and poor ethics surrounding MMD. It’s just another honeypot forum like BHW, but can you really expect anything else from this type of a forum? These forums are extremely shady in nature, why would the brains behind them be any different? HaRRo is no different (though much more skilled and accomplished in the field of blackhattery) at the core, but he has not been as narrowly pinpointed and scrutinized so openly as Dr. P.

His overall image is just very weird to me. He seems to strive to remain anonymous, which is pretty impossible online and doing so just makes you look suspicious. I’m not motivated enough to go on that cesspool of a forum and nab the guy’s avatar, but the way he portrays himself online is as follows:

Not particularly integral to my case here against him, but again, it makes the guy come off as just weird. Not someone you want to trust or rely on. It’s not him as a person so I don’t understand why you’d choose that type of an image as your personal brand online, it’s not a very good look.

He’s very well known for monopolizing and censoring the board to the extent where he ensures that the only ones getting exposure or making any pocket change are him, his shitty selection of very ignorant staff (Smeltzer, mainly), and his most loyal members who kiss a ridiculous amount of ass. I’m sure he’s making a disgusting amount of money from the traffic and work of his board. He’s known to run one or two affiliate networks, sell services and tools (that may have or may have not been stolen from his members), and he seems pretty close to a few people who are big in the industry. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s been proven that he is a scamming, scheming scumbag. The forum is a terrible and controlled atmosphere where those with no ties to the core of MMD are pushed away and everyone else is pulled in to break bread. Sounds great if you’re a mob boss, but you run a forum on the internet. It can only work for so much longer, hopefully.

In a grain of his defense, he was fairly respectful and decent towards me upon personally approaching him to ask why a particular network’s name was being slandered and just thrown dirt on around the forum. The issue was never handled as I lost interest in trying to defend a reputation on scummy spots like MMD, but he was at least able to communicate decently.

As of recent, he’s kicked off a Facebook group for his forum/network, coming at a time that seems as if the idea in itself was completely pulled from beneath EWA (whose group is extremely informative, successful, and active from what I’ve seen). I get annoying notifications and chat popups that reek of brilliant conversation such as:

The internet marketing mastermind featured in this particular conversation just so happens to be one of their highest esteemed members, also the one who created the topic trying to shit all over my network when traffic of horrible quality was not being held out on grounds of not yet having received a W9. That particular thread is likely still stickied on the forum, right below the ones that empower their own network(s) and partners. I expect to probably be forcefully removed from the group after this post is glanced over because, well, that’s just how MMD is used to handling resistance and opposition!

MMD is simply a nasty, nasty internet marketing forum where you can get banned for threatening to step on the profits of a moderator in fair game, you can have your software and other property stolen, and you’re expected to conform like a zombie to everything you’re told. Dr. P is the guy behind the forum, and that’s why he’s on my list.

Sean McAlister, Steven Lee Jones, Mike Filsaime, and the rest of the “I can make you $100,000 in 3 clicks!” guys

I don’t think a whole lot needs to be stated here. The guru image needs to die. You are scammers. You are liars. You steal money from people, specifically fellow affiliates. I receive a handful of your shitty email newsletters every day and I’m bewildered at how the three names I’ve listed in specific are probably millionaires because the mailings all seem very low quality.

What you guys do is just not good for the industry in my opinion. Props and respect to you guys for making a buttload of money, but negate that in consideration of how it’s done. You guys are true internet Warriors.


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